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Mamikon

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How to win a Golden Demon or die trying (getting finalists)!
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:22:55 pm »
Hello guys! I figured that we should have a thread like this for people who are trying to win their first Demon and they are seeking advice from people who have more experience.

I canít say that I have a lot of experience as Iíve only participated in 5 golden demons.

The first one was in 2008 when I was a kid, Iíve won a silver Young Blood Demon.

Next time was in 2014, Iíve got a finalist in single and nothing in large model.

Then in 2016 Ive went for the 40K open day and got two finalists, one in single and one in duel +nothing for my vehicle and open.

Finally in 2018 Iíve went to two demons, first one was the Hours Heresy Weekender in February, coming away with a gold in Necromunda Gamg category and two finalists for my duel and open.

Then, in July, there was the Forge World and Specialist Games open day that left me with two bronze demons for my Necromunda single and Age of Sigmar single and two finalists for LotR single and open.

So I canít really give that much advice at the moment as I donít feel hat Iím a professional in winning, nether I am completely sure I can give advice, that when applied correctly, can actually make you win...

I will only say:
1) Make your miniature as clean as possible. There can literally be NO flaws. The judges will spot every single error there is, no matter how well youíve hidden it!
2) Paint more on less. What I mean is: painting a smaller piece to your best possible level is better than paintg a huge, monumental piece to a level that isnít that good. You donít need a incredibly cool diorama to win in say open category, if you have an amazing paintjob on a 28mm character - you have a good chance!
3) Have an idea for the piece, make it tell a story. I think judges appreciate that. If you have a piece that isnít only well painted but tells a story - you are more likely to get more attention. I think thatís just common sense, if you have two amazingly painted miniatures but one is cooler, has something special to it, which one are you going to award? Exactly.

To be clear, this is just some advice I can give, this isnít scientifically proven to work, just my thoughts  :D ;D ;)

I would like to ask anyone who has some experience and knowledge to share their advice here as it can be incredibly helpful for people that are trying to improve their painting and get that Demon they dream about.

I remember spending so much time on wrong things that didnít place, feeling so empty, so depressed. And it wasn't the fact that I couldnt paint. I just didnít know what to focus on, I didnít understand my mistakes. Then I got some advice and now Iíve got a few demons to stand on my shelf.

If you are seeking advice - this is the place to ask. As for 3 days of this forum existence (on September 23rd) we have 34 users and over 50 golden demons shared throughout them all. I believe thereís plenty experience here to share  ;)

Kind regards
Mamikon
« Last Edit: October 12, 2018, 02:06:26 pm by Mamikon »

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The Chin

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Completely agree on having a background or story to your piece. We have a huge range of fantastic lore and background to help ground our entries. The judges are just as into this as we are - give them something they can geek out to! Simple things like having a model with a certain livery to help you understand when or where the piece is set. Having a space wolf on thunderwolf mount with Harald Deathwolf's great company sigil is a simple example.
Chances are if you can think of something like that and know of some lore to back it up the judges do too!

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Choosing the correct category can also help swing things in your favor as well. For example, just about everyone enters something into the single Warhammer 40,000 model category, where as the Duel category gets significantly less entries. At least from what I've read online.

There is nothing wrong with entering any category you wish, but it can never hurt to tip the scales to your favour every now and then.

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Choosing the correct category can also help swing things in your favor as well. For example, just about everyone enters something into the single Warhammer 40,000 model category, where as the Duel category gets significantly less entries. At least from what I've read online.

There is nothing wrong with entering any category you wish, but it can never hurt to tip the scales to your favour every now and then.

Well, that's my secret busted!! :D you'll all be in duel with me now 😩

Yup, tactical category selection can be key. But it's not just about the sheer number of entries, it is also about the quality of the best in each class and the barriers to entry .. I.e. The amount of time required to complete an entry for a class. Most people have a single mini somewhere that they are proud of, so entering single mini categories has a low barrier, so this swells the number of entries. It was far worse in the Games Day days when you could get into the event an hour early if you entered GD, so loads of people brought single minis just to get in early. I even remember an empty flocked base brought in as Frodo wearing the ring! The top painters will spend 100 or even 200 hours painting a single mini entry, so enter those at your peril if you are starting out. That said the Lord of the Rings category does ebb and flow in quality as the mini releases are not as appealing to painters as 40k and AoS, so if you want to paint a single mini, go there.
To be honest, all of the other categories vary in standard from year to year. The unit classes tend to look fuller because most gamers have a good unit they game with so can bring that along. However, units and larger models take more time to paint, so if you are a person who spends 150 hours on a single mini, a unit of ten to the standard you desire is a big ask. The top bods do enter these categories but in lower numbers The large model categories have been made harder to enter too as you can no longer enter an ogre or an ork boss (I was guilty of both before the rule change 😉). But if you can deliver a very consistent paint job, perhaps with a few extra twists added to a model, you can do very well in the unit and large model categories. Actually Bloodbowl teams and necromunda gang categories are good possibilities as not everyone wants to paint them. Certainly Bloodbowl appeals to fewer people.
And yes, my beloved duel category does also suffer from a shortage of entries at times, more so at the mini demons because people have not had the time to put into creating something (I can spend nearly as much time building a duel as I do painting it). Diorama is also often short of entries. With those two categories, you have to do more than just build a model and paint it, so a barrier to some. I'm actually a diorama builder by inclination, but they take too long so a duel is the next best thing. Getting some real action going on between two model is vital in duel. You can't just plonk two models on a base facing each other. However, getting something going on is easier now as there are more action poses available, but you still need to do something extra to set a scene etc. The two duels that I am painting at the moment have no conversions at all,just mini kit bashes, whereas for previous ones I have had to do some serious kit bashing and converting to get some decent poses.
The one thing that I would warn against is spotting weak categories from an event and going for that the next year. Everyone else will have done the same 😂. (I also used to show dogs, and the same happened there). I remember a weak duel year a while back. The following year it was inundated and the standard was too high for me to live with. The double bluff might be best. Look for the scariest category (outside of 40k and AoS single) and go for that. But now you are wondering if everyone will do that, so should I now go for the triple bluff..... 😂😂😂.
Or a good tactic could simply be to stick to one category over a few years and hope that the ebb and flow of the standard of entries falls in your favour from time to time. I have been doing that with duel for a long time but have also had runs in monster and unit categories.
Perhaps most importantly, make sure that you are painting something that you want to paint. You are going to spend a lot of time doing it, and it is supposed to be fun!
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Mamikon

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Oh Mark you are so damn right  ;D

We have to remember that Golden Demon isn't just about how good of a painter you are but also about who turned up.

You can be an amazing painter but if Soper, Bohun and Kanaev turn up in the same category as you have - get a beer and move on!  ;) ;D

Oh I remember my sacred duel in 2016, it was my best paintjob till date and everyone next to the cabinets told me I was going to place. Just 10 minutes before the end of the period when you can enter the contest Matty Kennedy turns up with his amazingly painted Ork vs Blood Angel and there's my demon gone! haha I was happy to lose to that tho as I knew I couldn't paint my duel any better!

So yeah, I would say this: do absolutely everything in your power to feel good about the entry as even if you don't win, you will be sure you did everything you humanly could (not counting hijacking opponents family members and blacklisting  ;D ;D ;D).
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Just want to add, its also very much about luck. If your kickass entry got put in a dark corner of the cabinet it can be overlooked, especially at gd classic with the much more entries. I took a bronze with a lotr entry at this years wh fest in dusseldorf with the exact same mini that didnt even place finalist in uk a year earlier, where it was put alone in bottom shelf never to be seen again.
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